joining us is jamal simmons and ari fleischer, the white house press secretary for george w. bush. jamal, should reverend giglio be punished now for what he said nearly 20 years ago? >> his views clearly don't reflect the president's views and i think the controversy that's erupted is going to overshadow any role that he plays in the inauguration. the thing that's interesting here, we're going to have an entire generation of trouble on this question because he's not a aloan. as we come to new reconciliation and understanding of gay rights, we're going to have to find a way to maybe rehabilitate people who have some views earlier or let them have views that are outside the mainstream on one topic and perhaps more aggressive on another. i think there's going to be a real struggle for us over the next few years as we bring all of this together after this really controversial issue. >> ari, where do you stand on this? >> i think gays are fellow citizens and should be treated with respect as such. tony perkins does make a valid point about there are people who disagree with me. should t